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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:51 pm Reply with quote
Neilywatch
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interstatetime wrote:
Jon wrote:
Actually, Neil is half right on the assoc.--the decision should be:

1. a hobby organization

2. a horological society

3. a professional organization


I think we are all of those and more. We should be all of those and more.


Where do you see the professional facet in this organization? I don't see it, I am thinking of the repair/restoration end of it. Is that what you were getting at, John?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:09 pm Reply with quote
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Which Jon/John, Neil?

I, Jon, can offer a few professional issues for starters:


1. Conventions are certainly NOT professionally run.

2. The B. could be much better; new topics needed.

3. Failing to combine the mart and the B. are part of it.

4. Failing to promote horology, country wide.

5. Lack of professionals in repair and restoration fields and/or recognition.

6. Failure to recognize and notice scrapping as a detriment to horology.

7. Poor (almost no) WW presence.

8. A chaotic MB
and home page


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:55 pm Reply with quote
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My query was directed to Mr. Cote -

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:04 pm Reply with quote
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Does that mean you are ignoring my salient points, Neil?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:55 pm Reply with quote
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Jon wrote:
Which Jon/John, Neil?

I, Jon, can offer a few professional issues for starters:


1. Conventions are certainly NOT professionally run.


I disagree but come to the National in York this summer. It should be wonderful. There will be people who complain but that is the way of the world.

Jon wrote:
2. The B. could be much better; new topics needed.


Agreed, but progress is being made.

Jon wrote:
3. Failing to combine the mart and the B. are part of it.


Your suggestion has been noted and brought to the attention of the board

Jon wrote:
4. Failing to promote horology, country wide.


This comment actually makes me mad but I will restrain myself. Great efforts are being made by the new Executive Director, board members and active members to do just this. There are numerous examples we can talk about.

Jon wrote:
5. Lack of professionals in repair and restoration fields and/or recognition.


Don't know exactly what you mean?

Jon wrote:
6. Failure to recognize and notice scrapping as a detriment to horology.


Our mission is to preserve. Perhaps more could be done but the NAWCC frowns on scrapping.

Jon wrote:
7. Poor (almost no) WW presence.


Come to the National in York. We will have a great and significant WW display at the museum

Jon wrote:
8. A chaotic MB
and home page


The new website will be in public testing soon. It will be a great improvement. The new MB is much better IMHO. It could still use improvement and will continually improve.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:03 am Reply with quote
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John, you obviously have no conception of how to run a professional show/mart!

What ways are the assoc promoting horology?

And, who in their right mind would attend Western PA in the hot, humid summer?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:48 am Reply with quote
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NAWCC marts have aways been a mess. Set up is a hassle with the multiple table holders in first and then decreased. People use others tables with many vest pocket dealers here there and everywhere. They resemble a swap meet. Smaller regionals are sometimes lax at everything.

I wonder how many table holders are legitimate dealers and how many are hobbyists.

With the lack of so many professional dealers just have a total free for all and allow all in at once.

I have never seen anything standardized because of so many volunteers and ideas. Each section or the country has their own opinion as how to run a mart. Also, what about security? What has been improved in this area?

The best thing has been pre registration but that has had big problems in the past.

The best examples of a professional show are some of the large antique shows.

My 2 cents worth.

Lance

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:43 pm Reply with quote
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Jon H

I wasn't ignoring you or your points, I just didn't understand what Mr. Cote meant as professional organization.

But, as you pointed out the organization is mostly volunteers, with some professionals at National.

I was thinking of the repair/restoration side of it. There should be a distinction made between those just do repairs and those who actually do Restorations. It would give confidence to those looking to get their antique watch or clock serviced or restored properly!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:51 pm Reply with quote
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Agreed, Neil.

The are many areas of professionalism, inc. correct restorations vs home hobbyists.

It has been reported that there is quite a barrel re WWs in the nawcc, or lack of chapters, articles, publicity, displays, etc., etc. It must be in a private section. Some guy named Harris is leading the charge.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:12 pm Reply with quote
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As you are well aware more watches have been ruined by "watch breakers" than lying undisturbed in drawers, attics, or S D boxes!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:17 pm Reply with quote
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interstatetime wrote:
Jon wrote:
Which Jon/John, Neil?

I, Jon, can offer a few professional issues for starters:


1. Conventions are certainly NOT professionally run.


I disagree but come to the National in York this summer. It should be wonderful. There will be people who complain but that is the way of the world. NO THANKS; WE CAN HAVE ATTENDEES AND 149ERS REPORT.

Jon wrote:
2. The B. could be much better; new topics needed.


Agreed, but progress is being made. WHERE; I DO NOT SEE ANY DISCUSSIONS IN ANY ASSOC MINUTES
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Jon wrote:
3. Failing to combine the mart and the B. are part of it.


Your suggestion has been noted and brought to the attention of the board ANY ACTON ON THIS ITEM?

Jon wrote:
4. Failing to promote horology, country wide.


This comment actually makes me mad but I will restrain myself. Great efforts are being made by the new Executive Director, board members and active members to do just this. There are numerous examples we can talk about. IT SHOULD MAKE YOU MAD BUT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE SPECIFICALLY?

Jon wrote:
5. Lack of professionals in repair and restoration fields and/or recognition.


Don't know exactly what you mean?

Jon wrote:
6. Failure to recognize and notice scrapping as a detriment to horology.


Our mission is to preserve. Perhaps more could be done but the NAWCC frowns on scrapping. FROWNING IS A WEAK WORK AND ACT.

Jon wrote:
7. Poor (almost no) WW presence.


Come to the National in York. We will have a great and significant WW display at the museum NOW SUDDENLY THERE IS A RESPONSE--SOME OF US HAVE BEEN HARPING ON THIS FOR DECADES, OR, EBVER SINCE THE WW CHAPTER WAS KILLED

Jon wrote:
8. A chaotic MB
and home page


The new website will be in public testing soon. It will be a great improvement. The new MB is much better IMHO. It could still use improvement and will continually improve.
FROM REPORTS RECEIVED I HAVE CONCLUDED THAT ONE OR TWO IN CHARGE OF THE WEBSITE AND MB IS A BAD IDEA.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:41 pm Reply with quote
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Jon wrote:
Some guy named Harris is leading the charge.


Heaven help us if that's who we're counting on...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:45 pm Reply with quote
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One of your buds?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:15 pm Reply with quote
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Jon wrote:
One of your buds?


Hardly...but I know him.

One of my fun discussions was him trying to "prove" some type of strap was introduced in a certain year because it was on a Waltham that the s/n tables said was made in 1915...I could care less about the strap(or much WW related) but that's the sort of claim that's all too typical for him.
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Jon wrote:
John,

Are you going join the "tom train" and bequeth your collection to Columbia?


Well, are you cutting out the family and giving your collection to the nawcc and folowling TT's lead?

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