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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:58 pm Reply with quote
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A riddle for everyone - what do Tom McIntyre's ego and an elephant fart have in common?




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#17 Yesterday at 10:42 PM
I was on the collections committee for a short time several years ago. There was no effort at that time to seek out items that had been identified as good candidates for the museum collections. I think there were areas of development identified, but the expenses to support searching and soliciting could not be covered with the available income.

One of the issues with the Endowment Campaign is getting the level of individual gifts higher so that the labor of solicitation does not drain the treasury. I approached the NAWCC with the idea as outlined above. I was hoping it would serve as an example to others who have a lot more in the way of disposable assets than I do.

My secret hope is that the presence of the McIntyre/DeLong collection in Columbia will attract the remaining items to finish the story that I could never afford to buy. My American Watch Co. collection is not the top one and probably not even the second best but it is substantial enough to tell the story and there are a few items that are unique or nearly so to the collection. It is possible that it is good enough to attract a few other critical items that would improve its story greatly.

This discussion is not exactly on topic for this thread, so we may want to spin it off into a thread of its own about managing a collections "end of life."

(By the way my current plan is to live another 40 years and my physician recommends that I go for it. Wink)
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Tis with our judgements as with our watches, none \ Go just alike, but each believes his own.
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the elephant vs the gorilla--how many more could fit into a fart (I mean mart) room?

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The only thing I got out of this is that he intends to donate his collection of Wallies to National?

Is he crazy??

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He "thinks" his is the number 2!!! hahahahaha

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:22 am Reply with quote
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I do not see what is wrong with this. I think it is great that Tom will donate his collections to the Museum. I think it is great that Tom is interested in the endowment campaign. The NAWCC Museum is a national treasure. The NAWCC is a worthy organization which has benefited all of us. I applaud Tom for this gesture.

I am a proud part of the fund raising efforts at the NAWCC and quite frankly I am sick and tired of the bashing that goes on here. I will agree that perhaps the solicitations have been a bit too in your face. I agree that mistakes have been made. We can do better. That said the biggest mistake is that we did not start this effort earlier.

I am interested in the future of the NAWCC.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:03 pm Reply with quote
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John -

I should explain my initial reaction to this:

To me - a museum should have a very high bar for what constitutes a "collection" for it to build up to~

The items should be those that are "unique" or Historically Important.

I understand that that they may want to "tell a story" of specific watch companies, I have always thought that to be a 2ndary goal of a museum - any museum.

I have met Tom and I have viewed and handled his collection. While he has a nice - albeit small - collection. As a Waltham collector, IMO - most of the pieces he has are neither unique nor Historically Important.

I do not agree that his collection will serve as the basis for encouraging others to donate theirs to the Museum, nor do I think it will bring the Museum more prestige.

What will bring the Museum more visibility, is if it moves to a bigger population Center, like Philly, or DC. With visibility brings more recognition AND money.

I also think that donations like this do some harm to the hobby as it removes pieces from the available pool of better pieces that can be collected. These pieces are what collectors aspire to find and own.

I also think that it is time and money to maintain these collections - something that I am not sure the Museum can afford to do at the moment.

I think the NAWCC is at a crossroads - I think it needs to decide if it to be part of a hobby that is in decline, or it can split from the hobby side and be a "serious" society specializing in Horology. Right now, I don't see it making any decision that will change its trajectory.

If there are 10 of you on the Board, John, I would think differently, but that is not the case right now.

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Neil,

The museum is where it is and will remain there. Talk of what it could be in a better location is useless talk. The museum is great and it is where it is. Stories are told there.

The value of Tom's collection was not the center of my rant. He sentiment for donation was. I think it is great he wants to donate and be a part of the story. I hope more people will feel the same way.

You are a good guy Neil. You are a good collector. I am sorry you are so negative. There are a lot of good people on the board....a majority I would say. We will do good things. We will make progress. It will not be a fast as you want but progress will be made.

For anyone who wants to respond that the museum is anything but a treasure I would ask two questions; When was the last time you visited the museum and when was the last time you visited any other watch and clock museum.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:29 pm Reply with quote
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John,

Are you going join the "tom train" and bequeth your collection to Columbia?

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I didn't think I was being negative, just realistic.

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Poor Jane

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Actually, Neil is half right on the assoc.--the decision should be:

1. a hobby organization

2. a horological society

3. a professional organization

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in reality museums are places for collectors to dispose of or dump objects of value that otherwise would go to spouses or family members

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The (Incredibly Shrinking) Small Wonder
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A real-life depiction of Tom's "Small Wonder"

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:58 pm Reply with quote
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Let's look at the main reasons collectors donate their collections to a museum:

1. donation for tax purposes

2. does not want other collectors (or family members) to own "their" watches

3. A major theme or massive collection featured in a museum, e.g. British museum

4. topical museum--Breguet museum, Patek museum

5. to create a memorial

etc., etc.

But, a traveling TTT watch or movement group?

WHY NOT PHOTOS? More uniform, safe, cheaper to ship, no "handling" of items
, blow up photos for better ID. and understanding.........etc. Heck do a computer point program

The TTT as a collector lure? I think not!

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Jon wrote:
Actually, Neil is half right on the assoc.--the decision should be:

1. a hobby organization

2. a horological society

3. a professional organization


I think we are all of those and more. We should be all of those and more.

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