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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:02 pm Reply with quote
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I read where those folks actually think the importance of an edge chip is whether the chip can be disgusied by the bezel?

Simple Simon, says values==perfect, imperfect9 slightly or heavily), ugly or horribly damaged!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:15 pm Reply with quote
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For an uncased movement(which is a lot of my collection) a chip at the edge is as bad as a chip anywhere else.

With that said, I'm guilty of applying less of a value hit for edge chips on a cased watch than for other chips. I still will pay less than for a perfect dial, but if it's hidden by the bezel it's LESS of a problem for me than one out of the center chapter, for example.

The bezel issue aside, a chip out of the center chapter is unsightly to me, while a chip at the edge that doesn't extend into the numerals or minute track is not as visually distracting.

Still, though, I have to evaluate every dial on a case-by-case basis. I've seen plenty of flawed dials that still presented well, and plenty of ones with only minor defects that were in such a location as to make the dial just plain ugly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:27 pm Reply with quote
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Damage is damage and depending on the severity lessens the value and desirability. Hiding damage doesn't make it better than it is.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:19 pm Reply with quote
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The particular watch model also has something to say about what you can put up with in the dial, case, whatever, yes? An edge chip in the dial of an Illinois B&O is different from one in a Hamilton 992. And that in turn depends on your collection. If Jon had eight or ten stellar B&Os, he could afford to reject a chipped one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:45 pm Reply with quote
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Shouldn't be any different to coins.
Best to worst based on condition.
You keep the best you can afford or settle for the one with the least imperfections.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:47 pm Reply with quote
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A grading system for dials?

That brings us back to the original problem - who's gonna run the committee and who's gonna enforce the standard?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:55 pm Reply with quote
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Who needs a standard, Neil? Pictures (at least; in-hand better) are always going to be required anyway. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:11 pm Reply with quote
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The funny thing is that for me looking at dials nothing compares to handling it while looking at it with MY EYES!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:26 pm Reply with quote
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Sheesh, Neil, of all people, you walked right into that one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:30 pm Reply with quote
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WHAT'S NEXT--dial removal and encapsulation?

Rolling Eyes Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:33 pm Reply with quote
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I think maybe Neil thought he could slip that in while you were watching the game, Jon, but (not knowing the score at present), I'm betting it's half time or already out of reach of the Steelers, and you had time to slap it down!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:39 pm Reply with quote
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KennyHabeeb wrote:
Sheesh, Neil, of all people, you walked right into that one.
Wink


I was reacting to Steve - Very Happy

But you know what - people will argue over anything, even the size of a dial chip!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:12 pm Reply with quote
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Oh, right. I forgot that coins have that pull-yer-hair-out grading system. God, am I glad watches haven't gone down that path.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:23 pm Reply with quote
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KENNY, THAT WOULD BE TOUGH because we would have to separate components! Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes Wink

Tagline--actually, look at all the dial collectors (like myself). I believe there are more dial (only) collectors than one might think! Exclamation

Last add--encapsulation would protect rare gem dials! Idea

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