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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:59 am Reply with quote
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Some one need to tell the newbies there that F.R. 10s Elgin movements were sold with DS dials; and that case screw marks don't match up when switching!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:26 pm Reply with quote
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I'm done talking with those guys about switching. I thought I made a good logical and respectful argument and they didn't read it.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:29 pm Reply with quote
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This is the age of the know it all, they won't listen even to the truth. Geno
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:00 pm Reply with quote
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So, Jon, what do you think about me taking my KW16 American and putting it in my near-perfect 18K case that has an Am'n in it now? Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:49 pm Reply with quote
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From memory the case is better than the movement which would make it a giveaway to a seasoned collector. Therefore, I wouldn't do it. Although I wouldn't do it on general principle anyway. What is the urge to switch? (general question)--what fascinates folks to continually play musical chairs with watch cases and movements..........to move up 1/2 a grade or go from silver to gold? Break up an original and have 2 switches as a result. This stuff is original only once.

I am getting to the point where I am getting tired (generally, and not you, Ben) of mentoring folks who are just plain blind or stupid or both. There is so much stuff that has been switched and all I read about are new guys switching. This is what you end up with when a Ray O collection goes on the block--it is just horrors. The stuff dies and people wonder why the price crash! And folks want to continue this switching business?

IT AIN"T THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:56 pm Reply with quote
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PS: Ben, I was just forwarded your green bored post by a chapter member in which you addressed some of my points; and BRAVO for you!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:29 am Reply with quote
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When few people care about the history of a watch or even know it how can that history be valued.

When was the last time someone you sold to asked for the history of the item.

I suspect it rarely happens.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:54 am Reply with quote
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Nonsense, I had a friend ask just last night!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:57 am Reply with quote
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Jon wrote:
Nonsense, I had a friend ask just last night!


I have to agree with Jon. There are a heck of a lot of people who care about the history/provenance/originality of a watch.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:04 am Reply with quote
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Stephen, I ask all the time when buying my marine timepieces. Most of them have such great histories.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:24 am Reply with quote
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Thanks Jon.

My post here about the two watches was made tongue-in-cheek after writing up my response on the Green Board. I appreciate your additional input on why this would be a poor recase.

As I said, the pair will remain as-is for as long as I own them.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:56 pm Reply with quote
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If they all cared they wouldn't switch because the watch would be worth MORE as it is WITH its history.

Find an add on ebay where history is even mentioned.

They are there very seldom.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:00 pm Reply with quote
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I love pedigrees and keep track of my Hauptman and all of the other old timers' prized collections from whom I bought watches.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:45 pm Reply with quote
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Ben_hutcherson wrote:
Thanks Jon.

My post here about the two watches was made tongue-in-cheek after writing up my response on the Green Board. I appreciate your additional input on why this would be a poor recase.

As I said, the pair will remain as-is for as long as I own them.


Hi Ben,

Therefore, were you attempting to bait some of the GB gang? Rolling Eyes Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:46 pm Reply with quote
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StephanG wrote:
If they all cared they wouldn't switch because the watch would be worth MORE as it is WITH its history.

Find an add on ebay where history is even mentioned.

They are there very seldom.


None care--they are all whores and fast buck artists!

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