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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:59 pm Reply with quote
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The buyer of this watch is Mike Barnett of Owensboro, Kentucky, aka "23jwls"

Members' heads would spin COMPLETELY off if they knew the extent to which this individual interferes with live auctions in his attempts to pay pennies on the dollar to ignorant and unsuspecting sellers. Just a few years ago he pulled a similar multi-thousand dollar stunt with an ignorant seller who listed a 60 hr Sangamo hunter. I have reported this jerk to ebay on numerous attempts but to no avail at they do not want to be in the market of ethical monitoring.

Watch:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=261928601107&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

Buyer:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=23jwls&ftab=AllFeedback

Bottom line is that this guy not only cheats ebay out of thousands of dollars on an annual basis but he also cheats the community out of a fair shot of bidding on auction items. I have had at least 3 incidents where items I have bid on in the last 2 months were pulled down by this a-hole.

Members here are strongly encouraged not to deal with this con artist. Remember, money in his pocket is just additional funds that he can use to buy.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:16 pm Reply with quote
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Add - the last 23 jewel Ball Hamilton 18s sold in the public mkt for over $14k!

Looks like he is a master switcher too - he slammed this 21j into the case:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/18S-Ball-Hamilton-21J-Pocket-Watch-/201375408744?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ee2e8e268&nma=true&si=Ynb2qXob5owE%252Bc33ZGDazCsT%252BDs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:48 pm Reply with quote
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The sellers must be stupid or really desperate. If a buyer contacted me with an offer of, say, twice what I was asking, I'd take a step back and wonder why! Very seldom do rippers offer actual value.
Just "getting the sale done" qualifies as stupid in my book. What's the rush? Drugs?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:52 pm Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:47 am Reply with quote
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Bryan wrote:
The buyer of this watch is Mike Barnett of Owensboro, Kentucky, aka "23jwls"


I believe this piece of human toilet paper has contacted me about ending an auction of a gold watch early for a price much less than melt. He basically called me a moron for not selling him the watch which was not only gold but beautiful and scarce and which ended up selling for double melt.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:22 pm Reply with quote
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In my humble opinion this is just the end result of a general reluctance amongst the watch community to be open and upfront about prices.

It is not something that has happened overnight but the culmination of practices that have gone on for years.

If everyone was willing to talk about this side of the hobby the market in general would be informed and scumbags like this would find it very difficult to operate.

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Then there wouldn't be many RIPS would there.

Tis a fine line we are trying to draw me thinks.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:03 pm Reply with quote
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He is very bad news, and even worse news, eBay refuses to do anything about him.

A very sad state of affairs!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:21 pm Reply with quote
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Let's be honest here--the dealers (inc. some here) prey and troll for mistakes, errors and give away buy it nows. It seems as through 99% of eBay offerings are either bid up too high or the condition does not warrant owning. Neil has the best idea to look for esoteric rarities and low production items for his collection. As I stated before if ones wants to spend his life on fleabay some steals can be had. There are always FOMOs out there in horology circles.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:41 pm Reply with quote
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The way I see it, Jon, is that 99% of the watches that YOU would like to have "are either bid up too high or the condition does not warrant owning."

The not-scarce items, that you already have, come up more often, and they are sometimes worth the try provided photos are good, and one knows what to look for. In-hand inspection is of course much better, but short of stumbling on something good at a pawn shop and/or spending good money just to have a chance at something good in a show, a collection will definitely stagnate.
So chances need to be taken here and there, sad to say.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:49 pm Reply with quote
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What I want or need is PRACTICALLY NIL--almost no rarities and even fewer GEMS OF THE FIRST WATER!

Personally, I find fleabay a virtual waste of time--the way I see it is that it is geared towards the RR kings and the scrappers nowadays. I do not need this aggravation to make a few bucks. RE has a much higher rate of return! Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:56 pm Reply with quote
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Yes, that's just putting it a different way. I would say the same if I was you.
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