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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:06 pm Reply with quote
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434richmond wrote:
I take issue with who carries a 100 year old pocket watch. Carry
coin silver model 6 1883 everyday, don't have to shine anything.
Four of my big OZ Silver hunters stay in the displays, I don't carry
hunters, many of my OF are gold filled, and don't do anything to them.

Now what Jon's talking about above, I have that New York in a hunter
that got cleaned, I have not messed with it since, but it's getting spots.
Smooth patinas gone. John Cote talking about how long it takes for
that right patina, (nail on the head). Don't lose it.

Silveroid, all you have to do is a little soapy cloth and wipe/dry with a
terry and done. IMHO

Keith


ALL TRUE; however, we did not get into care of your watches-a diff topic.

Absolutely, any watch handled poorly or worn should be wiped off with a soft cotton cloth--if nothing more than to remove fingerprints, grease etc. no matter what to is. This is common sense.

As for wearing Gem watches (or cases) or rare ones a person would have to be a idiot because a zillion things could happen to you watch........things that you cannot rectify.

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POCKET WATCH case polishers, buffers, dippers--now that your well worn case is shin-ey BUT RUINED, you will now need used crystals, bows and crowns. After all, how much more silly do you want to make your watches? Rolling Eyes Embarassed Embarassed Laughing

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Whether you are an experienced collector, new to the hobby or just looking for an unusual gift, xxxxx.com offers a wide variety of vintage time pieces. Specializing in pocket watches from great American factories like Hamilton, Illinois, the American Watch Company of Waltham and the National Watch Company of Elgin, this site frequently has items from Ball, Hampden, Howard, Rockford and others.


I just borrowed this from a vintage watch sales site.
Name altered to protect the innocent but the rest is a direct copy.

Tell me again the part about nobody would use a rare watch these days.

The fact that they are rare is the whole point !

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Good grief. That means nothing. Talk is cheap. It's an advert!


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I know several people using old MG's from the 50's as every day commuters.

In fact old cars are so popular several companies have build retro cars that are new but look old.

Some old watches get used as well.

I repeat I wouldn't do these things but I am aware that it does happen.

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Is this preservation or desecration.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/classic-cars-race-in-peking-to-paris-rally-2013-6?op=1#on-may-28-the-cars-took-off-from-beijing-starting-the-7500-mile-journey-1

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Stephan, if you owed a cherry and/or all original antique car, would you run in this event?

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I would not but I accept the fact that others do and that does not make them cretins or destroyers or whatever.

They would argue that's what the things were built for.


It is also interesting to note that pre Civil war watches often attract a premium for no other reason than the date they were made.

Is this because they are nicer or more desirable or better looking

or

could it be that there are a whole bunch of people out there who like to dress up in old clothes and run around re enacting battles from the past with an appropriate watch in their pocket.

I would call that using them.

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Actually, few of those people have a quality timepiece, much less one of real value. Probably half of the items they pick up for those re-enactments is a reproduction. I know this because I went to one and asked around. I also asked if anyone was interested in buying an American Civil War era pocket watch. I was going to make it a good deal. No interest. Not even to look at what I brought. Maybe it was an odd day for such a thing. But I know they will spend good money on a Zoave Company outfit.


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I have had and am having the opposite experience. I routinely clean and refurbish watches for a fellow that gives watches to his buddies so they will not have to use battery operated pocket watches during battle re-enactments. They like to be dressed as realistic as possible. He gives them as presents and, according to him, they use and appreciate them very much. Most are good quality well known American pocket watch brands. His friends are lucky in that he has the funds and is willing to share. I don't know if his friends would throw away their battery operations watches for original vintage ones if they were individually paying for them but , according to him,they have been having quite a gift exchange among them for a long time.

KennyHabeeb wrote:
Actually, few of those people have a quality timepiece, much less one of real value. Probably half of the items they pick up for those re-enactments is a reproduction. I know this because I went to one and asked around. I also asked if anyone was interested in buying an American Civil Era pocket watch. I was going to make it a good deal. No interest. Not even to look at what I brought. Maybe it was an odd day for such a thing. But I know they will spend good money on a Zoave Company outfit.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:51 am Reply with quote
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Free is free, Darrah. Who's going to argue?! Wink

For a lot of those guys, as soon as you get to three figures, their blink rate goes to zero, and the battery-op device will just have to do until happy sam passes out another real deal for free.

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FEI, one of our dear departed members, Whit Joyner, was not only a CW buff but he lectured at hundreds of events in the South, even at some universities.

Talk of modern watches at any re-inactment? He is now rolling over in his grave.

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Just found this magazine and while it is about cars and not watches I believe it is most relevant to this discussion.

https://www.survivorcaraustralia.com.au/about-survivor-car-australia.html

The key point to note is that these increasingly rare Gems continue to be used.

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The key point is "After all, they are only original once!"

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gemeyr4 wrote:
The key point is "After all, they are only original once!"


I agree 100%

But when something is black with age and no longer runs because it hasn't been touched for 80 years it is also true that

That is not the way it left the factory

so we need to be clear on what exactly we are preserving.

Leave the case black but remove the works to service it and you are still changing it.

Your choice to do as much or as little as you want as it is your watch but it is also your choice and I believe each option has its pitfalls and its merits.

Usually with watches there are enough around to have a few each way.

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