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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:09 pm Reply with quote
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gemeyr4 wrote:
[quote= they get VERY offended.


Neil, are you offending the women again??

Laughing[/quote]

Sadly - I do that quite well. Sad

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:47 pm Reply with quote
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Jon wrote:
Gold cases are best left alone. Over time there is a slight toning or dulling due to the other components in the mixture of metals. While silver will tone faster over a long period of time, gold takes even longer. Remember, not much affects gold (have you ever read about rare coins buried in the ocean that accumulate a crustacean that can be removed, not spoiling the original mint lustre?).

BEWARE: some clowns actually use a sulfur mix to tone down silver coins and cases.

The only thing I can think of to clean, silver wise, would be sterling used at the dinner table! (and, of course, some ladies' bracelets and earrings--much better to buy gold)

Tagline: The ladies do get some of their gold jewelry buffed due to nicks and damage banging the stuff into showcases and tables while shopping.


I actually was sort of discussing both of those points in the thread on the Green Board.

My favorite watch in my collection-my 1860 model in 18K-I'm pretty sure has been untouched for the past 150 years or so. The gold has a beautiful, mellow color to it that I've seen on very few other watches of the same vintage(and the others that I've seen with similar coloring look as crisp as mine). It will remain that way as long as I own it.

Our family sterling silver is approaching 100 years old. My mom has managed to accumulate it all-there are two separate sets of the same pattern, both dating to the early 1920s-although one set has seen a lot more use than the other. On the "more used" examples, I spent a long time carefully polishing them and(intentionally) left tarnishes in the deep engravings on the knife handles and other places. That did not suit the one in charge Smile

Fortunately, at least, it's now all in a silver chest that does a great job of keeping it tarnish free. I guarantee you that most of the wear on it is from polishing, as even my grandmother used it 3 times a year and most(and rarely even that often). I don't mind polishing, but not needing to do it saves a lot of wear and tear.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:29 pm Reply with quote
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Use the correct silver polish, i.e. Wright's.

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I think with stuff like this you have to accept there are different points of view.

It's a bit like those exotic restored cars you see fetching huge sums of money.

Some people buy them and put them into a climate controlled room. They don't even put oil in them. When they get sold you see them pushed onto and away from the auction block.

Other people buy similar cars and go racing with them because in their eyes that is what they were built for.

It all depends on your reasons for owning the thing in the first place.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:50 am Reply with quote
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There is no other point of view when cases get ruined and butchered, i.e. losing metal, rounding corners, and generally looking ugly, etc.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:18 pm Reply with quote
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Technically speaking watches were made to be worn not locked away in a vault somewhere.

In use they will wear out but like I said.

Depends on your point of view.

Not everyone is a collector.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:01 am Reply with quote
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They WERE USED but now are collected--polishing, buffing and dipping PLUS poor handling DOES NOT CONSERVE THE STUFF!

The use has changed and our charges are not to RUIN, DESTROY OR ABUSE THESE ANTIQUE WATCHES, Stephan.

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"THE FASCINATING TOPIC CONTINUES ON AND ON,"
as one "expert" states.

Bottom line: If you have a choice or GEM coin to clean or "brighten" in any way WOULD BE INSANE, as well as cost you a bunch of money!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:31 am Reply with quote
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StephanG wrote:
Technically speaking watches were made to be worn not locked away in a vault somewhere.

In use they will wear out but like I said.

Depends on your point of view.

Not everyone is a collector.


I disagree with the above. These days, whether you carry a pocket watch every single day, or just keep one in a drawer somewhere, you are a collector. There are all kinds of mechanical and not-so-mechanical things coming out today that tell time as good or better than old pocket watches. I don't know anyone who carries a pocket watch only because they prefer the feel of it, and don't care what it what it looks like, or how it was made.
And once you are a collector, you are more or less a steward. If you carry and trash a Rockford Penn Special, it's on you. And folks will think you are an idiot not just because it translates to high dollars.
You screwed up because you didn't preserve and protect a rare timepiece!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:11 pm Reply with quote
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The condition of a watch case, edges, engraving, ET, etc. is only sharp once; abuse it, clean, polish, buff or dip it only removes WHAT CAN NEVER BE REPLACED!

What ignorant collectors simply do not understand on a silver or silveroid case is ONCE YOU PLAY WITH THE SURFACE and make it shin-et EVERY TIME YOU HANDLE IT the acid from your fingers eat at the case and leave fingerprints, smudges, unless you wipe it off. EVERY TIME it GETS WIPED OFF, more surface material gets REMOVED.

It is a darn shame that watch cases have to get abused and newbies have to learn the hard way about case care! This topic here on Chapter 149 should be required reading by newbies, neophytes and other watch collectors.

PATINA? What we really are talking about here on 149 is case preservation and conservation. Encapsulate your coins but don't protect your nice watch cases?

Sadly from the calls and emails I have been receiving on this topic folks would rather argue patina, dirt, polish, shine and appearance than preservation--SICK!

ABSOLUTELY NUTS!

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I think you have missed the point of what I am saying.

WE HERE are collectors.

WE HERE buy for that purpose.

But we can't buy them all and we can not force our point of view on others.

Some people buy watches to wear and use.

Some new watches are worth a small fortune so for someone who is willing to buy and wear such it matters not to them how old the thing is.

If they like it they will buy it and use it regardless what we think they should do.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:52 pm Reply with quote
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Really, Stephan? Who do you know or have ever heard about who carries a fine 100+ year old pocket watch around on a daily basis?

I know zero people who do that. Old wrist watches perhaps, but not pockets. Our clothing is no longer suited for them by style or design. Just as important: who wants to risk carrying around a collectible that can be replaced in that use by something one doesn't have to worry about?

If you want to burn up a Hamilton 992, knock yourself out. There are zillions of them. But no one carries anything that is really valuable more than a few weeks a year in total - would be my guess.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:22 pm Reply with quote
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StephanG wrote:
I think you have missed the point of what I am saying.



But we can't buy them all and we can not force our point of view on others.



If they like it they will buy it and use it regardless what we think they should do.


We are not attempting to buy them all; who in their right mind would want to--WE JUST ARE TRYING TO EDUCATE!

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I have seen a couple of very nice OLD gold watches bought as wedding gifts complete with engraved dedication for the occasion.
The fact that they were old was half the point.
Anyone can go out and buy a new one.

I have seen a guy with a magnificent old Bentley who still drove it on club events.
After each use he paid to have it fully detailed including the underside.

People with deep enough pockets see the world different.

I AM NOT SAYING I do these things.

I am saying it happens.

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I take issue with who carries a 100 year old pocket watch. Carry
coin silver model 6 1883 everyday, don't have to shine anything.
Four of my big OZ Silver hunters stay in the displays, I don't carry
hunters, many of my OF are gold filled, and don't do anything to them.

Now what Jon's talking about above, I have that New York in a hunter
that got cleaned, I have not messed with it since, but it's getting spots.
Smooth patinas gone. John Cote talking about how long it takes for
that right patina, (nail on the head). Don't lose it.

Silveroid, all you have to do is a little soapy cloth and wipe/dry with a
terry and done. IMHO

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