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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:53 pm Reply with quote
gemeyr4
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IT was an amazing collection of watches. Not all GEMs, but the first time to see some very interesting watches. A very full collection of Otay watches. This catalog is a must have.

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"good doctor?"

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:26 pm Reply with quote
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Wasn't the owner a doctor?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:37 pm Reply with quote
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I understand a former owner of some of the stuff was a doc.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:40 pm Reply with quote
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Did that assemblage just make you go, "Ah, big deal; I have eight of those, six of these, seven of that, and mine are all way better." ?!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:20 pm Reply with quote
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There were some great items in fine condition, some of which I have owned more than once!

I was VERY pleased with what I acquired.............

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:30 pm Reply with quote
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I'm glad to hear that it was an auction that you looked forward to! I hope we have another of that quality soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:19 pm Reply with quote
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It was more rarity, plus some quality.

I doubt if there will ever been another quite like that one--too many rarities at one shot.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:28 am Reply with quote
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This auction answered one question for me:

Where were ALL these watches hiding? There was a big disparity between how many there were estimated to survive and how many I had actually seen.

This collection made me realize how easy it was for a very wealthy person to hoard so many examples of a rare watch to begin with.

I don't if that is good for collecting because it makes it impossible for people to appreciate the rarer stuff because they never see them and all of a sudden there are 5 or 6 available.

At the very least put pictures of them out there so people know what they LOOK like and not state - well it doesn't look exactly like x so it must be fake!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:52 am Reply with quote
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Publishing collections, whether public or privately, should be made by collectors if possible to assist those in the research mode. However, some are very private about their collections due to their high value or, just because that is the way they are, or because many only see a value and don't care about history of the items. At least the auction house catalogues give researchers some food for thought via their pics but somewhat less for their weak or inaccurate descriptions.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:10 am Reply with quote
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Darrah, Neil, It may be that those with the funds to acquire extensive collections do not have the time to share.

Or maybe some are just pricks Laughing

I think we have learned by now the best stuff is often traded between collectors and you'r right, there is a lot of stuff out there hidden.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:11 am Reply with quote
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John Cote had a good solution to that problem. He encouraged folks to put their watch photos online with description, anonymously. It's not happening now, and too bad. Nevertheless, while it was, some collectors still couldn't be bothered.

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I have a different take--why compete against ones self and show all?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:37 pm Reply with quote
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I tried to get Henry, thinking he was responsible, to open the Virtual Museum on this site for entries for quite awhile so I could present all the different Rockfords down to grade. It never materialized and I got busy doing research for publication, working on clients watches and clocks and so forth. I am sure others out there are in the same boat. Anyhow, yes, time is at a premium even after just retiring. I recently got pissed when the Seth Thomas thread got deleted since I spend some time uploading several examples for others to view, study etc. I got over it since I am aware of how the internet works and reposted. I will be happy to upload watches into a repository for study but it does take time especially when descriptions are involved which are a must. I know Kirk has sent out requests but just have not had the time to consider it due to the reasons stated above. Time should free up and hope I can add more to the cause.

Jon, why would you compete with yourself? If you have a nice watch then you have a nice watch. It is not like you are going to sell them as, I suspect, you will sell only you lesser quality items and keep your gems.

I can understand collectors reasons about copying photos by others for various reasons and that is a tough one that I cannot answer. I too have a few watches that I would like to write up and publish but that has not stopped me from showing them to the 149 members. I am not sure about trusting others outside of this Chapter, including the big board.

I still don't understand why some just want to hide stuff other than keeping their vault secure. After all, we are only custodians and permanent ownership is not going to happen even if willed to our favorite sibling or whatever. They will just sell it and buy some electronic crap. Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:41 pm Reply with quote
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Jon - if all you are showing is a picture and not a value or information, how you putting yourself at a disadvantage?

The only thing where I can see it being a problem is with people who are putting "together" watches and calling them rare. The pictures might help them get it right - otherwise how is it a problem?

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