WORLDWIDE Chapter 149 Message Board

434richmond · Chapter Member

On the English side it's 1730 and up cylinders.
Also Rack levers 1815 to 1825.

English chronometers.

Early cylinder shown ($320 serviced). Seller was disappointed
but a good sport on an auction. US jeweler re-cased 1860's by
owner, movement made 1780's (#934). CASE Coin

Timing plus 1 minute in 24 hrs.

John Dwerrihouse

Keith R...

omexa reborn · Chapter Member

Hi Keith, I love it, especially the large Cap Jewel; the movement possible Huguenot Maker. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Huguenot

434richmond · Chapter Member

Ray's on the mark, as Graham speculated that in the early days
of Dwerrihouse, several Huguenot watch makers made their way
to the firm in 1750 and prospered.

Nothing better then a touch of History and all hand made.

I collect both Fusee and Going Barrel watches. I do have
a series I Howard but only back to 1858 I think.

I've been under both Ray and Graham for years and thankful for it!

Keith R...

omexa reborn · Chapter Member

Thanks for the Kind remark Keith. Ray

Jon · Chapter President

I have a small Coll'n of English, inc rare makers, very early verges and cylinders and a few Frodshams.

I really like English watches but so damn many have been "played" with as far as originality and fakery. Also, it is tough to get superb ones here in the states and prohibitively costly to buy them in GB.

434richmond · Chapter Member

Most of my collection Jon are of modest prices, like this Barwise
cylinder I picked up for about $250. Not a big risk, but I enjoy
it, as it times good enough for my collection (- 2 minutes in 24
hrs.) Now granted the outer case is a replacement, but I imagine
200 years to be rough on a Silver outer case. But I would rather
own it then not, as a cylinder hound.

I try and stay out of GB auctions, but have bought a few that
way.

Good to hear from you on the English side.

Keith R...

434richmond · Chapter Member

Now I like my levers too......

Keith R...

omexa reborn · Chapter Member

Hi Keith, you are really getting into posting; I have a Yates slow beat that I will post soon. Ray

interstatetime · Chapter Officer

I like them all Keith. Thanks for the pictures.

434richmond · Chapter Member

Anytime John..........Pictures are worth a thousand words...........
This one circa 1818............Thomas Pinnington Liverpool and 17J.
The balance cock shape is typical 1815 to 1822. Another of my
Massey II's.

Ray, the Yates shown above is 1839 ES Yates and no relation to my
Thomas Yates slow beat of 1848. They produced through 1867.

Keith R...

434richmond · Chapter Member

One of my favorite makers is MI Tobias of Liverpool who started
producing in the early 1800's.

This watch in it's 18K American case and is from 1827 at 17J.
Many of the case makers were located in Philadelphia Pa. The
dial is gold and made in the UK shipping to the US.

Keith R...

PJR · Chapter Member

Beautiful watch Keith.
Paul

interstatetime · Chapter Officer

A friend sent me these pictures of a Moncas. The watch is functioning and appears to have a Massey 2 lever escapement.

I am certainly no expert on English watches but to me the watch appears to be sort of a mid to lower quality for a Moncas as there appear to be no jewels on a couple of the pivots.

I don't think he wants to sell it but if he changes his mind is it worth buying and for how much?

434richmond · Chapter Member

Thanks Paul, for the appreciation of the Tobias watch!

John, any Moncas commands a price and the gold balance
wheel is a higher grade. Many of those old watches were
exported to the states, case with pseudo hallmarks are
shown. Note case size is relevant. I'm unsure who this
American case maker is.

Here is a similar watch with the same American case maker,
also 7J with a 50MM 18k consular case. I think the monetary
value follows the intricate gold dial made in the UK. Others
can PM you a value.

I date both watches to about 1830.

Keith R...

interstatetime · Chapter Officer

Keith,

Wow, thanks. I had no idea that this might be an American case. I guess it makes sense. It is a very pretty watch. Maybe my friend will get tired of it.