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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:06 pm Reply with quote
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StephanG wrote:

Other than them being mindless or tight arses.


Unfortunately, as illustrated by the lead posters on the NAWCC MB for this same thread, these usually go hand-in-hand

An accumulation of bargains a collection does not make!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:09 pm Reply with quote
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Getting screwed is part of the learning process, everybody gets screwed in the beginning, the smart ones adapt and learn quickly and the dumb ones just keep getting screwed. Another thing they don't learn quickly enough is putting too much faith in the false gods and fake mavens who are more than happy to screw them blind, as has happened in the past. Geno
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:47 pm Reply with quote
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geno wrote:
Getting screwed is part of the learning process, everybody gets screwed in the beginning, the smart ones adapt and learn quickly and the dumb ones just keep getting screwed. Another thing they don't learn quickly enough is putting too much faith in the false gods and fake mavens who are more than happy to screw them blind, as has happened in the past. Geno


There in perhaps lies part of the problem.

Now is not the past.

There are less watches about, less opportunity to learn by the stare and compare method and watches are a lot more expensive.
You can't buy boxes of stuff now like you could 20 years ago because these days the dealers snap it up and sell it off piece by piece or scrap it.

Also there are way less watch collectors so it is a simple fact that there are way less people to ask assuming the ones you do ask will give you an honest answer rather than one that favours their own agenda.
How would the new guy know the difference.

Screwing people is not teaching them. It is making them go do something else.

There was also no such thing as the internet back when you first got your collecting feet wet. If someone has a bad experience today they do not keep it to themselves. They tell the world.

Things work different now. That's why newspapers are dying, bookshops are dying, cinema's are in trouble, even bricks and mortar retail is struggling to keep going because today their competition is just a couple of mouse clicks away.

If you are waiting for the good old days to come back I am afraid you will be waiting a very long time.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:17 pm Reply with quote
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I'm not waiting for anything, I buy and sell every day and keep what I like. You want a simple answer to a complex hobby, there is none, you have to get it your self and it takes years to get it right. The collector who is impatient and has to rely on someone else is doomed. There is plenty of merchandise out there right now if you know where to look. Some collectors can only buy and have a hard time selling, that's a mistake, they should strive to upgrade their collection and sell the dogs or the bottom rung watches to pay for the better ones. Geno
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:18 pm Reply with quote
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COLLECTING IS A PATIENCE GAME--it is a marathon and not a sprint.

Do your homework and stay away from the chest pounders and other supposed "heavywieights" who think they know!

Personally I have never relied on PGs or "experts" salespitches.

I rely on one person --MYSELF!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:33 pm Reply with quote
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I agree with you Jon.

I always rely on my own ideas and do my own thing.

But if screwing new players is the norm then what will they learn and what kind of collectors will they become.

Will they listen when you tell them, don't switch parts, don't polish cases etc etc.

I think not.

More likely they will learn anything goes to make a profit.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:38 pm Reply with quote
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A fair number have or continue to follow my lead and expertise--my phone rings constantly, not nearlyas much as ten yrs ago but the fellas sill call me.
And remember, I have been banned now for ten years from the green board, so many of the folks think I have diseappeared.

Tagline: The fellas at the assoc refuse to do the right thing and highlight chapters, all chapters. If folks knew specialized chapters existed, there would be more members and action. Too many members of 149 have passed on. Some of us are working on this and if we got cooperation from some of our current accoc insiders and directors and past members things would be much better for all. The current nawcc president is a chapter member but has done nothing to garner chapter support or visibility. I guess they enjoy the CW!

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