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It's official - the INMATES have taken over the ASYLUM!!!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:42 pm Reply with quote
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Steven Thornberry, Today at 12:55 PM
Your post about Rayshawn David has been removed. It is one thing to report your displeasure to the moderators, it quite another to mount any kind of personal attack in an open forum.

Rayshawn David has broken no MB rules requiring moderator intervention.

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Bryan Eyring, Today at 1:21 PM
Personal attack? You're kidding, right?

You seem to be confusing the concept of criticism with that of aggression. My comments were concise, factual, and offered constructive criticism.

Rayshawn David is clearly a scrapper and allowing him to continue posting violates one of the organization's core mantras.

This typical board PC nonsense and moderator stubbornness at it's finest. Stop arguing, be a team player, and start supporting the organizational goals of this association!

I would also add that as a past moderator this would have never been permitted.
I am both baffled and disgusted with the changes that have occurred in the last 5 years on this board with regards to standards. Again, start upholding the mission of this organization!
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Bryan Eyring, Today at 1:24 PM
Steven, please tell me something - have you actually taken the time to read all of Rayshawn's posts?

There is no way any moderator could support these posts and still uphold the organizational mantras in good conscience.

I am truly baffled!
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Steven Thornberry, Today at 1:40 PM
Concise? I agree.
Factual? Maybe in part, at least.
Constructive criticism? Not a bit of it. What others posted was constructive, unlike your removed comment.
Think what you will of Rayshawn David, but better to keep it to your self. You need not read the thread but you seem drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

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Bryan Eyring, Today at 2:02 PM
Sorry, but unlike you and the other Mods I will NOT simply "scroll past" and bury my head in the sand. I have researched watches since the age of 10 and been a dedicated, serving member (past president, VP, treasurer, director, shall I go on?) for nearly 25 years. I have seen numerous changes in the market with massive declines rip though this organization. Right now the Board is our most valuable asset and it needs to be protected. Posts like this only damage and adulterate its credibility.

It seems that there are no standards for acceptable posts from non-members and that "anything goes". Mods should be monitoring and protecting this asset yet instead you try to rationalize why it's ok for a non-dues paying scrapper to spread misinformation and extol the virtues of scrapping cases. It's appalling that we're even having this discussion!

Do you NOT realize the damage that this has on the content and credibility of the Board? Or do you simply not care, and desire to bury your head in the sand?

When someone is doing damage to the credibility of the Board you'd better be sure that I'll be there to speak up and I'm not going away and will continue to call out this nonsense!

If you think I was drawn like a moth to the flame then get ready for the FIRE that this lights under me to take this discussion public!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:40 pm Reply with quote
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Please read the tail end of this thread (below) and see for yourself the poor moderator judgement or horological ignorance allowing this nonsense to continue on. A substantial amount of expertise and proof was presented, yet the moderators on the NAWCC message board did nothing.

Shall we add this moderator ignorance or inability problem to the list of the many issues that need to be corrected at the national level?

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/gw-ladd-watch-cases.40451/


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WHERE IS COTE ON THIS ONE? Rolling Eyes

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I have been reading Bryan's threads and I will talk this over with some other board members before our next meeting. I think they are being unfair and unbalanced in more than one instance.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:18 am Reply with quote
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I HAVE PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED THE FOLLOWING:

1. the rules need to be written in a clear and concise fashion

2. the moderators need to be replaced or rotated annually

3. the disputed post needs to become quarantined

4. the poster of said quarantine should be allowed his right to respond

5. quarantined posts need to be discussed among the moderators

6. a final decision needs to be reached by the head moderator with right of poster to rebut

An example that should be made clear is that no sales, sites or mention of proposed auctions by dealers and others ARE NOT ALLOWED.

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It is a statistical fact that bias will present itself in circumstances of power.

The Board is no exception.

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Bryan wrote:


The Board is no exception.


Do you mean "The Board" or the moderators?

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:34 pm Reply with quote
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The response to Bryan's point on the green board sucked and this tone seems to continue on and on no matter who runs THAT show, or as long as the other JH is in charge.

I keep hearing about changes--I believe these "changes" should begin at the top!

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 7:03 pm Reply with quote
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Chaos continues in various forms on the green bored!

The double standards flow daily. Even many of the moderators can't agree.
So what does the nat assoc hierarchy do -- NOTHING!

ALL WE HAVE HEARD IS HOW WONDERFUL THE ASSOC IS NOW --WHAT A JOKE! One clown pretends to fly around in wings!

Insiders and operatives have privately told me the place is in chaos! What a shame!

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:52 am Reply with quote
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Moderators VIOLATE their own rules!

ADVERTISING (any business advertising) in ones signature line or web link IS A VIOLATION; yet, were have one MODERATOR yet, who has taken it upon himself to VIOLATE THE RULES!

Bryan is quite correct--THE INMATES (OPERATIVES) ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM!

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, IF THE EX VP CEASED WRITING THESE LONG WEEKLY REDUNDANT EPISTLES, SOME OF THESE ISSUES (RAISED BY MANY) COULD GET CORRECTED!

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