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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:01 pm Reply with quote
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Neilywatch wrote:
I heard back from the seller and he confirms that the hands do take 24 hours to around once around the dial. He also states that it keeps normal time - rather than sidereal time.

Unless you have those special minute and hour wheels (which I have seen) - it is NOT that easy to slam together.

Has anybody seen model 92's with regular 24 hour dials? Non-sidereal "Explorer type"?

I am thinking this was prob an explorer watch that someone replaced the dial on it. But I've never seen one!


I didn't say the wheels were easy to OBTAIN, I just said that they are easy to INSTALL

Sorry this watch isn't what you want it to be Neil!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:39 pm Reply with quote
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I would have thought to convert from normal time to sidereal time would only be a small adjustment. About 4 mins a day.
Once you have the special wheels to convert to a 24 hour dial the rest would be easy.

Given the number of amateur astronomers out there any chance someone made this up for their own use.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:36 pm Reply with quote
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Not that easy to make a 92 run 4 minutes fast. Even with the timing screws turned all the way in and the regulator all the way over, it will still be slow. you will have to unpin the hairspring and shorten it.

I've done it. Its a project!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:50 pm Reply with quote
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Make, bake, shake, fake and take!

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Not saying it isn't but I am not convinced these things are always made to deceive. Sometimes there is a legitimate reason for a person to make something from something else.
Some of these guys make their own telescopes and I have seen some very elaborate devices made to track stars for the purposes of photography.
The intent of the person who made it may not have been sinister.

The intent of the "expert" selling it is another matter.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:55 pm Reply with quote
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........meaning, the maker of the above was into astronomy? Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:29 am Reply with quote
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As I sort of said before...none of how or why this watch was made really matters unless perhaps there would be documentation/provenance to document the story. The watch might be a somewhat more interesting anomaly if we knew for sure that it was made at the factory or that some astronomer put it together or had it put together...but it would still be an anomaly. All that said...there is no provenance, no documentation so all of the speculation doesn't matter.

As Jon always says...the watches tell the story. All we have is this really wrong watch. I am certainly not the big expert on these watches but the story this watch tells me...without all the BS verbiage and just looking at the pictures is not a story of value and importance.

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I agree.
It is such a shame that so many sellers give so little thought to provenance when interesting watches come up.
All they want to talk about is how rare it is and how shiny the case is.

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.....and 99.9% of the folks really don't have a clue as to true rarity!

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