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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:29 pm Reply with quote
Jon
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What do the members think of the prices of worn out and off condition, suspiciously original 72 OF & HC cases?

There seems to be an abundance of these hitting eBay and elsewhere.

It appears that price has brought these out.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:47 pm Reply with quote
Ben_hutcherson
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When you say "suspiciously original" are you suspicious about the movements in them or about whether or not they were originally '72 cases?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:51 pm Reply with quote
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No, altered cases that are difficult to view because of bad photos.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:43 am Reply with quote
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so what does jh think about this one?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FANCY-ENGRAVED-COIN-SILVER-HC-Waltham-16s-1872-Riverside-15j-Pocket-Watch-1890s-/331591294458?nma=true&si=Ynb2qXob5owE%252Bc33ZGDazCsT%252BDs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:50 am Reply with quote
Neilywatch
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Well they are difficult to alter, Jon. There isn't much else that will fit a 72 case, altered or unaltered.

There were 3 posted 3 weeks ago by Paul Duggan. I tried to get all 3 of them. All 3 were silver OF cases. I won only one of them, the other 2 I got blown out because of the movement.

One was an AM'n grade with American Damaskeening. I was the underbidder at $750.

The second was an Am grade but with very unusual WW. I was the underbidder at $475.

The third was a Riverside which I won at $160 (or something like that). The case was worn but still nice.

The one Bryan has posted above - I've never seen a 72 case like that. Its almost like a 74 case. But the price is off the wall.

I have paid up to $750 for a 72 Case. But I am usually able to find them from $450 to $625.

72 cases in any condition or metal is just tough to find.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:55 am Reply with quote
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Bryan wrote:
so what does jh think about this one?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FANCY-ENGRAVED-COIN-SILVER-HC-Waltham-16s-1872-Riverside-15j-Pocket-Watch-1890s-/331591294458?nma=true&si=Ynb2qXob5owE%252Bc33ZGDazCsT%252BDs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


It appears to be faked up/recased, but without having it in my hand to remove the mov't I reserve final judgement. Plus, look at the bezel slot. I would not buy it as a '72; plus, what about the insane price and it is only a 15J with a bad dial? I also am not enchanted with the case style and design. YOU buy it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:33 am Reply with quote
Ben_hutcherson
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Bryan wrote:
so what does jh think about this one?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FANCY-ENGRAVED-COIN-SILVER-HC-Waltham-16s-1872-Riverside-15j-Pocket-Watch-1890s-/331591294458?nma=true&si=Ynb2qXob5owE%252Bc33ZGDazCsT%252BDs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


FWIW, I have a low-grade Riverside in a virtually identical(but much more heavily worn) case. As best as I can tell, there's no evidence of there ever being anything other than a '72 in it. If you make it to Louisville, I'll show it to you.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:14 am Reply with quote
Ben_hutcherson
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As promised(albeit a bit late) here's the '72 I bought in the a case similar to the one in the linked auction. I will note that the lever slot on mine is different, but otherwise it's a similar style case. I bought it with a '72 in it, and it fits perfectly.










(BTW, this is an old photo. I've since replaced the bow with something a LOT better looking).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:06 am Reply with quote
Jon
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The lever slot can be a KEY, as the bezel which may or may nor be original. Always check for machining of the back inner frame of the case. Lots of fakers out there...........trying to take your money.

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