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Only 100 made in 2 runs total.
This one, is the first one I've seen and found after nearly 20 years of looking.
Why do you suppose the only the orders for the English jobbers made it into the Le ... |
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My '72 discussed above has flush screws but they are domed and uniform.
Ive seen that modification with some of the grades that went to the UK. |
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LEDGER STATES:
Nickel Riverside Grade with 15j - adjusted - made sometime in 1893.
SO, it's not fake, IMO.
Movement is obviously original but the up jeweling work is not original! |
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Jewel screws should always be flush or recessed from the back of the plate.
IF you look carefully there are no dimplemarks on the settings, but they are present on the plate itself. |
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Mike -
First of all it is a beautiful watch, no matter what!
This is 16j.
So here is what I see. The jewel cups dont look right. Im used to seeing gold cups that a bit more refined (and ma ... |
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This particular discussion has produced no consensus - I'm not angry - just a little frustrated.
It was educational only in the sense that I realized not every customized watch is a Employee watch ... |
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OK GUYS
While we are on the subject of what is Fake or Not? I have posted in the Waltham section a very unique watch.
Go over there and start arguing over THAT one! |
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I purchased this on ebay from Andy Swartz (watchrulesformejr), who in turn bought one of those huge movement lots on jones and horan.
The lots were sold in 2022, so unless you know the consignor, tha ... |
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I prefer to use to use the term "Customized".
And yes, it is impossible to actually know if these were made by employees.
So - we'll go with Customized until proven otherwise. |
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Jon -
I would love to have actual documented employee watches, but those are few and far in between.
Here is one of my favorite "Employee" watches |
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Geno -
Your WW's are for a higher grade of 72. |
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And of course any Employee watch is altered from the normal factory configuration, but Waltham tolerated that?
They encouraged it, maybe?
I must have like 20 examples of this kind of activity?
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OK Guys -
I took the watch apart.
1st I can confirm the watch has only 16j. There is no lower center wheel jewel.
Second please look at the way the jewel is installed. it is Burnished in - ... |
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You guys are unbelievable.
I was the buyer of this example..
It is listed in the records as a 15j Riverside - What some twit did was polish the plates, so that's why it looked washed out.
Som ... |
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Not the one I have...........
LMAO - actually the signature is worth more than the book. |
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